Monday, October 30, 2006

Is this fresh hope?

There has been a comment posted on this blog by CBNsat Subscribers Unite about CBNsat which is copied below.
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Good News Friends !

CBNSat says they are in the final stages of signing a deal with Rupavahini Corporation. They are very much hopeful that they can begin transmission very soon.

Most probably within this week or next week. They will keep the subscribers informed via SMS and public media.
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There is exactly a week left for the CBNsat Supreme Court hearing which will be held next Monday (6th November). It is now indeed a long period of time since the sealing of Sri Lanka's leading pay tv provider and it will be a great relief for the over 20,000 customers if this is resolved soon.

52 comments:

bank_dude said...

To Rupavahini management,

Being a responsible media institute, please don't let us down. Show your gratitude to an institute that helped you ealier.

Looser said...

I don't think so. Anura Priyadarshana Yapa won't let Rupavahini to do it.

yakuza said...

lisura
please give us more info
anybody called cbn today?

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ParanoidJackass said...

HI... Everyone

Sorry for my silence for a long time. But made sure I check the blog at least once a week.

I just spoke to a lady at CBNSat. according to her, Rupavahini had requested CNB for the project report or something and was approved by Rupavahini. However, the negotiations are still in progress. and she was very confident when she said it and that there is a chance for them starting their operation before the next SC hearing on 6th November. Failing, everything will depend on the result on the 6th

U never know, This is Sri Lanka, " A Land Like No Other.....!! "

Hope for the best.!

~ PJ ~

Lisura said...

Anyone can call CBNSat Customer Care & check !

Alf said...

I do not want to be mislead by the CBNSat reps. Last time i called, a CBNSat lass told me that they have recieved MOD clearance and she sounded confident too.

Won't trust until CBNSat is online.

ALL THE BEST!! for any negotiations.

Cable Guy said...

does this mean if we get CBN back, it will be government a** wipe?

Lightning_Struck_Tower said...

Reps once told me they got a temporary license.

But since this news is coming from lisura himself, it cant be a misleading one. When i called CBNsat i was told the deal with Rupavahini is 75% complete. Bravo if this is true and good luck with rest 25%.

However CBNsat should always keep in mind that Rupavahini is a govt controlled organization and is very unpredictable. Tread carefully CBNsat. These are dangerous waters. I hope you will be able to conquer the vested interests and commence transmission soon.

yakuza said...

any news..
whats goin on

cableguy said...

We have waited this long patiently or impatiently. Lets just wait a few more days and see.

Only thing is CJ is getting sick easily these day. CBK had to return back to UK after a short visit here for a lawsuit. Wonder if he will be sick on the day of the CBNSat case??

As for the RUPAWAHINI deal, I am hoping for the best.

kenzo said...

jus a big goondoo guys... These reps are playing with you guys.. They told me this Rupawahini story a week ago and they said they will be online by today...Are they on line I don think so!!!!!!!!!!

Don be fooled ok.........

jesika said...

I think the best thing is to go for DishTV. I'm only waiting until Nov 6 th.
I'm tired believing fairytales.

dini said...

in summary, the general public get deceived by everybody today with false hopes!!! i'm with kenzo on this one. it's just a white elephant

sanju1975 said...

i gave up cbnsat. i'm enjoying dish tv. this is the best jesika. cbnsat will come in future but with rupavahini i doubt the content ??? definitely ftv will not be there and channels like god tv will never come on cbnsat.

and what about tensports, zee sports, star movies, star world etc ??? it will take ages for these channels to come to cbnsat channel line up. and what will happen if a stupid minister of the gov or president himself doesn't like any channel ??? it will not coem up. and for everything the presidents signature will be needed.

how can anyone move forward like this ????? when (if) cbnsat comes up i'll sell the equipment and recover part of the cost. but keeping dish tv as it is value for money.

we have waited months and months to see cbnsat come back online. 5 months have gone and still no signal. at least i enjoyed icc trophy on dvd quality on set max on dish tv. no control whatsoever to the sl govt !!!!!!!!!

no red tape, no mr's signature, no censorship. dvd quality.

jesika said...

Sanju
Is that true that Dishtv's hbo has advertiesments ? & AXN is not the one we had in our CBN?
How are the containt ?

Alf said...

Jesika,

DishTV has the south asian beam of HBO and AXN. It does have advertisements. That's why its cheap. But content wise not much of a difference.

sanju1975 said...

yeah alf is right. content is almost the same. since it is the hbo south asia and axn india there are adverts. not many like local channels. you could check the following web sites for content.

www.axn-india.com
www.hbosouthasia.com

MANIL said...

BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WHEN TRYING TO CREATE WEB ACCESS ON YOUR DISH TV CONNECTION AND THERE SEEM TO BE A TENDANCY THAT DISH TV IS SOMEWHAT MONITORING THESE DONE THROUGH OTHER COUNTRIES.

I HAM EXPEREINCING THIS FIRST HAND AS THEY HAVE BUSTED ALL MY PAY CHANNELS FROM YESTERDAY NIGHT(IT HAPPENED WHILE I WAS WATCHING THE SANFORD 20-20 ON TEN SPORTS).

I AM TRYING TO WORK IT OUT WITH AN AGENT IN INDIA BUT I AM NOT SURE HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE OR HOW SUCESSFUL IT WILL BE.

SO ALL YOU GUYS PLEASE BE CAREFUL IN USING WEB ACCESS AS THERE IS A ELEMENT OF RISK ON IT.

Alf said...

Hi Manil,

Whats the Msg you got??(Displayed on the screen) when trying to access payed channels??

Also does your subscription paid on time??

sanju1975 said...

i told you guys to not to play with your connection. we all know it's not in our name. so trying to pay through the web is a risk. i always told you. it may be true some people are paying. but eventually you'll end up in trouble.

as i told u earlier they will notice that you pay from sri lanka. and eventually you'll end up in trouble.

the best is to send the money to the indian dealer to pay for us.

by trying to play with a connection not belongs to you there is a huge risk. and we all know that huluballa might have told dish tv to monitor the connections which the payment comes from sri lanka.

BE CAREFUL YOU GUYS WHO USE DISH TV FROM INDIA. I TOLD YOU SEVERAL TIMES BUT YOU DIDN'T TAKEN IT SERIOUSLY. NOW THAT WE HAVE A VICTIM WE SHOULD BE EXTRA CAUTIOUS !

MANIL said...

ALF,

IT SAYS CALL CUSTOMER CARE FOR ACTIVATION.

THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE SUBSCRIPTION.

I CALLED A DISH TV DEALER IN INDIA WHO I HAVE BUILT A PERSONAL FRIENDSHIP WITH,HE SAID THE THE CONNECTION HAS BEEN BLOKED FROM THAT END AND HE CONFIRMED IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBSCRIPTION.

THE GUY IS WORKING WITH PEOPLE HE KNOW AT DISH TO GET IT REACTIVATED.

AND I AM HOPING FOR THE BEST.

Alf said...

Did you call DishTV help line and check whats the problem??

And did you make any payments via web using credit card?? If yes, whne did you do it?

Need to assess the situ to get a understanding before coming to any conclusions. Therefore, can you explain what you really did??

Tks

Rob said...

I am confused about Dish Tv web access. What Manil mentioned was access Web through Dish Tv, But Sanju was referring to Payments through Internet. Can someone clarify ?

dini said...

is this blog for Dish TV or CBNSat? guys who want to discuss Dish TV should create another blog for it!!! it's easy isn't it? Dish TV is always risky. my brother has been battling to get it back for the last 8 odd months!

MANIL said...

ALF - I NEVER DID ANY PAYMENTS AND SENT ONLY MY WEB ACCESS APPLICATION WHICH HAD THE REGISTERED OWNERS NAME AND ADDRESS AND THATS IT,I THINK THE FOLW WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO MUCH.

I DID NOT CALL DISH TV FOR ACTIVATION AT ANY POINT.

WHEN I CALLED MY DEALER FRIEND TO TELL THE PROBLEM THE FIRST THING HE ASKED WAS WHETHER I TRIED TO CREATE WEB ACCESS OR TRY TO MAKE PAYMENTS VIA INTERNET FROM SRI LANKA,AND WHEN I TOLD THIS HE SAID THAT IS TROUBLE.

THE ADVICE HE GAVE ME WAS FORGET ABOUT WEB ACCESS AS THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL YOU COULD DO WITH IT OTHER THAN PAYING VIA THE INTERNET AND WHICH WILL BE EASILY DETECTED BY DISH,AND JUST TO PAY THROUGH THE DEALER AND FORGET ABOUT IT.

Alf said...

Hi Manil,

I even paid via Internet few months back just to check but i do not have any problem.

I think its something to do with your web access application. Did you fill it exactly the same info of the original connection owner?? Becuase they do a verificatoon of the original application and the web application and if it does not match you are in trouble.

MANIL said...

I DIDNT HAVE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION TO VERIFY,BUT IT TALLIED WITH WHAT THE DEALER GAVE ME.

BUT I WAS SPEAKING TO THE DISH TV DEALER IN INDIA AND HE TOLD ME TO FORGET ABOUT PAYING VIA THE INTERNET IN SRI LANKA AND TO DO IT THROUGH THE DEALER OR A CONTACT IN INDIA AND WHOEVER IS GOING TO INDIA AND THAT PERSON WILL NEED ONLY THE VC NUMBER AND THERE ARE ENOUGH DEALERS IN THE MAJOR AND SUBOURB TOWNS.

WHATEVER THE REASON THEY HAVE DEACTIVATED MY VC AND THERE IS NO WAY OF FINDING OUT, BUT TO SOMEHOW GET IT BACK ON TRACK.

MAYBE THIS HAPPENS ON A RANDOM BASIS,BUT THERE IS A HUGE RISK INVOLVED AND THAT IS MY EXPEREINCE AND WITH THOUSANDS OF DISH TV USERS IN SL TRYING TO PAY THROUGH THE INTERNET WILL HAVE BEARING ON THE LONG RUN AND MAY END UP LOOSING OUR CONNECTION.

SO ITS UPTO THE USERS TO TAKE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS AND SAFEGUARD YOUR CONNECTION

sanju1975 said...

rob ,

this web access means accessing the dish tv subscriber account through web. this is a service exactly like www.mycbnsat.com

i told you'll before anything you try to do from sri lanka could be traced easily. any website can detect from which country you are loggin in. so if dish tv people wants they could easily check from which country you are loggin in. paying from a credit card in sri lanka will make the situation worse.

and the sl govt is specially cautious about credit card payments to indian accounts after the seagull software scam.

(read last sunday times paper)

sanju1975 said...

the location of the dish tv receiver cud not be traced unless you try to pay from sri lanka.

SO GUYS I URGE ALL WHO HAV GOT DOWN DISH TV INDIA TO BE EXTRA CAUTIOUS.

DONT PAY THEM USING YOUR CREDIT CARD. IT COULD BE TRACED EASILY AND YOU WILL END UP IN TROUBLE. SEND MONEY TO INDIA TO BE PAID FROM THERE. THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS TO DO SO.

PLEASE DONT EVEN TRY TO PAY FROM SRI LANKA.

Alf said...

Sanju is correct. Web sites can track the IP address. But there are methods to anonymously browse the web. I think LST is the best person to explain that.

It will be Sri lankan Gov. that will be mostly watching the forign transactions using credit cards. Specially if you pay the subscription for a year there is a chance of Central Bank reviewing the transaction since the amount is high.

MIKE said...

Yes SANJU is correct,Even the particular bank or the credit card issueing bank has to send a statement or a return to the central bank on all foreign transactions.

So we are not only going to have problems with our sattelite connections,but from the SL authorities for remitting funds on behalf of a third party which was made illegal after the prymid scam.

I dont wont to be in the position of manil and with no one to turn to after the card is deativated and this is after having so many options to pay unscatherd and people travelling daily for business in India.

Better to play it straight than asking for trouble.

sanju1975 said...

EVERYONE READ THE "SEAGULL SOFTWARE SCAM" ON THE SUNDAY TIMES OF 29TH OCTOBER.

IT IS ALSO INVOLVED AROUND 2 INDIANS. CBSL IS GOING TO CLOSELY MONITOR THE FUNDS REMITTED TO INDIAN ACCOUNTS FROM SRI LANKAN CREDIT CARDS. FIRSTLY NATION TRUST BANK AS THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HELD THE ACCOUNTS OF THESE 2 INDIANS

ravin said...

So what are you guys going to do with your Dish TV connections when CBNsat commences their operations with rupavahini and most proberbly within next week?

channa said...

A reliable source told me that there are more original connections of Dish TV than satnet connections in Sri Lanka and it could be in the range of 4000-5000.

Keeping apart how popular satnet is in this country,I think it is very much advisable to pay through your original dealer as you face a risk of loosing everything on a deactivation.

The indian dealer friend of manil is right and pying through the internet is asking for trouble and might also sound truble for the rest of the 4000 or so users.

And after all our ever popular satnet guys must be doing everything to trace this users and might even get the CB involved.

So you should be extra cautious and refrain from paying through the internet.

shamil said...

Its better we could pay through the dealer or some contact in india.As most of the guys have commented,the transaction will lead to trouble from dish and the SL government and yes Huluballa must be waiting to get hold of an end.

The best thing is to keep away from trouble.

Lightning_Struck_Tower said...

""Sanju is correct. Web sites can track the IP address. But there are methods to anonymously browse the web. I think LST is the best person to explain that.""

Actually alf, it will not be me. Raz0r and BSS- from FILEnetworks know a lot more about it than me. The lazy arses dont have blogger account so i will quote them here.

""USE ANONYMOUS BROWSING IF YOU ARE PAYING. www.anonymouse.org is one method. There is even more secure ways to go underground on the net such as by using a proxy switcher. Once you use these methods, your internet browsing speed will be reduced to a crawl. But once you make the payment, you can easily switch back to normal IP.

You can also use IP spoofing to hoodwink trackers. This is far more complicated method to a normal user and requires experience.

About DishTV payments, we do not know how they track connections. Normally they should not reply on the IP entirely to track and block a connection. Imagine if you are an Indian, imagine you come to SL for a visit. If you pay your DishTV bill from credit card in SL, should you be fucked for that? We dont think so. The whole online payment thing is a value added service to customer. The idea is to allow the customer PAY FROM ANYWHERE.

We cannot explain how Manil got busted. However FILEnetworks has tested web access with one DishTV connection one month back. We entered a fake Indian address and got in. We even made one payment. It functioned well for at least 2 weeks after payment but we do not know the state of it now because the owner went abroad.

In the wake of the Seagull Scam, we would recommend you not pay from the internet for some time (maybe for 2-3 months). But then again we cannot explain how manil got busted. This may be a software fault because no system is perfect. WE have seen such happen with Dialog. We can expect such to happen with Microsoft. DishTV is no exception.

Anyways you guys got options:
1. Pay to the dealer. its 100% safe method. (Even if you pay rs 1300 per month thats damn cheap for 160 channels. Cant complain)

2.Wait till Nov 6th before buying a conn.

3. Cross your fingers and wish for CBNsat to be back online.

BSS-- signing out.""

There you go. Its not as bad as it looks. -LST

Alf said...

Well, my gut feeling what happened for Manil is that the dealer must have mixed up the original Indian registration name and given Manil a wrong one. And when Manil applied DishTV team must have cross checked and found that the STB #, VC # and the subscriber name/address does not match and the exact subscriber name and address has a different STB # and VC #. This is just one theory.

As LST has mentioned it could be a system fault as well.

My only concern is SL regulations for Internet payments due to these scams.

MANIL said...

LST - You are right and the Dealer in GUJARAT who is helping me out told that it has been blocked at the dish tv end for some reason.As i said before the first thing he asked me was whether i tried to create web access and whether i paid through the net,The first one i did and i told him.He explained that DISH could easily track down from where it originated and through the card number that they could detect to which country it belongs to(technicaly i dont know how to explain what he said).

Any how these dealers can upgrade packages and do certain activations at their location and he informed that this is out of his control and should be directly done at DISH,He promised to speak to his contacts at dish and get it activated for me this time and clearly indicated that a second chance is not possible.

As LST said the best possible way is to pay through the dealer and if CBNsat was there we wouldnt have gone through this hell.

The most sensibel thing is to refrain from web access & internet payments.

SLP said...

Guys.. about this credit card thing,

as a principal any credit card starting 4 means VISA, 5 Means MasterCard n so on.

The First 6 Digits of your credit card is a unique number which assigned to the bank by the VISA/Master Card Institutions, and in therefore any card number can be checked against the bank code (first 6 digits) and can be found out that where this card is issued. As Banking you cannot find that which card belongs to which bank unless you have a proper involvement with VISA/MASTER or your local bank. But In with this DishTv well i dont know about that and therefore it's better to think that they do have a issue on this behalf.

But one can check card numbers which not belongs to the country(First 6 digits not in the registered banks codes in INDIA). so whichever way you choose to pay either directly or annonymously(IP Scramble) the transaction can be monitored. (remember your card number will be sent to DishTv by their bank, through their account statements)

Its not a big issue for them to track numbers which are used regularly which are not belongs to india n for a short run of using SL international cards said thing may not be effective, but if they willing and watching so they can track yourself so easliy.

As for IP Scramble u can log on to the DISHTv account through any medium but once you use any financial trans(credit card, info upload, etc...) then u can be monitored.

so indeed what i say is prevent payments using credit cards from the web on to Dish TV and use your agent to transfer the payments that u needs to do.

Using Credit/Debit card internationally on this purpose, there is a direct violation of Exchange Control Rules of Sri lanka and therefore if (hope not) u caught on any incident u r liable for both illegal connections and violation of exchange rules.

So guys basically what i say is y u going to web, asking trouble n choosing the easy way. It's simple and quick but the hardway is better than that n therefore pls do a little bit of work at the end of the month/year for going to ur dealer and pay the bill.

Again, Whatever u do, but b causious n b responsible. because if once you caught, it will not going to stop from one person and ultimately everyone will suffer and everyone may caught because of your actions. And also a future group of individuals which may turn to DISHTv, will also b affected since they dont have a provider after all.

No Hard feelings, play, but b Causios....

Lightning_Struck_Tower said...

""As for IP Scramble u can log on to the DISHTv account through any medium but once you use any financial trans(credit card, info upload, etc...) then u can be monitored.""

You are damn right there mate. IP scramble will only protect you from IP tracking. It cannot protect you if DishTV tracks you by credit card number. We do not how DishTV tracks payments exactly but FILEnetworks team believe that they are not relying entirely on the IP address in deciding connection blockades coz that will make DishTV a very irresponsible company.

Alf said...

I do not agree on one thing. The credit card number cannot be disclosed to DishTV. Banks will only acknowledge the payment(fund reservation) and ransfer the funds end of the day to DishTV account. The statement given to DishTV will show the amount and the DishTV account number. Not the Credit card number. Banks cannot dislcose credit card numbers. That's how payment gateway's work. And that's why when ever you pay you will be directed to a Banks payment gateway.

bank_dude said...

Alf,

Normally we do enter our credit card payment details on merchant's web site. Then the merchant send those details to bank's payment gateway to proceed the transaction. Which means that the merchant himself keeping a database for their audit purposes. Therefore in this case DishTV can track the card number. There are merchant sites that are linked to a dealer who does the transaction on behalf of the merchant and ackowledge whether the payment is in order or not. In such case merchant does not have the card details.

Alf said...

Hi Ban_Dude,

In DishTV, When you are paying using credit card you have to enter the card details in the ICICI Bank payment gateway site. Not to DishTV site. You will be directed to ICICI payment gateway automatically.

It is not a good practice to enter credit card details to merchant web sites.

SLP said...

alf: what u say is right, CC holder should not enter his CC No unless he satisfied with the web site,it's not wise to use CC no on merchant web side other than the payment gateway,

but the system acks like this, once u go to the bank gateway, they grabs ur card no, security code etc...

once they complete the transaction, they provide following 3 informations to to the provider(DishTv in this instance)

1. Approval Code
through this the site will know
that the payment was completed

2. CC Holder Number
The number of the credit card

3. The name of the Owner

(however any other info will not be given on any circumstance- i.e ur 3 digit security code on the back side)

thease said 3 basic informations will be provided to the account owner(dishtv).

The thing thats i'm not sure is will thease info (2 n 3) will be provided online or through the statement

one thing can be said in surely.

Your credit card nos will be exposed.

yakuza said...

any cbnsat customers using the blog. any latest news. or was it another fluke.

MANIL said...

Yes i somehow got my card reactivated through the dealer and i had first hand experience of web access and its consequences.

How ever we try to justify we are using a illegal connection and web access/payment via internet will expose you and result in loosing your investment and perhaps trouble from our own authorities for illegal transactions.

So its for the users to decide whether you want to fall into trouble and put others also into trouble.

shamil said...

No,The news about CBNsat and enterring in to an agreement is not a fluke and its happening at a rapid pace.

But we should understand that they are not in a position to divulge everything for reasons known to many.

Be patient,Its going to happen

yakuza said...

shamil
hope you are right. sick of waiting all this time. why signing a agreement should take this long.

shamil said...

yaku-Sure a normal agreement would not have taken so much time and this agreement is surronded by many issues and needs a long process to iorn them out.

And one party is a government institutions and we know how they perform.

ozzie said...

hey manil

i am having the same problem, i subscribed for webaccess and eventhrough i can view bbc, and bbc, and discovery and mtv and some other channels, eventhrough set max is allso available, when i try to view channels like hbo,star world and some other channels it says to call some number can u give me advice as in what to do

thanks a lot

MANIL said...

OZZIE - THAT IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR PACKAGE AND IT SEEMS THAT THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN YOU THE MAXI PACKAGE,IF YOU WANT IT CHECKED PLEASE MAIL YOUR VC NUMBER AND STB NUMBER TO THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS SO THAT I CAN CHECK AND REVERT.

kmlprdhn@yahoo.co.in